“Expelled” music licensed or not?
Josh Timonen wrote a detailed synopsis of the movie “Expelled”, the creationist film that tries to argue that creationist views are “unfairly” excluded from the academy.
What piqued my interest about this particular post (there have been hundreds by now about how bad the movie is, the deceptiveness of the filmmakers, P.Z. Myers’ being prevented from attending, the NCSE’s excellent “Expelled, Exposed” website, and so on) was that Timonen noted the proliferation of popular commercial music, including John Lennon’s “Imagine”, and a song from “The Killers”; maybe others. Timonen says:
Either Expelled has a disproportionately-large music budget (for how bad of a film it is), or they are using songs they haven’t paid for in their Director’s Cut private screenings (that may be changed before the official nationwide release). John Lennon’s “Imagine” is played (original version) over B&W scenes of what looked like communist China, with a parade of soldiers. The lyrics to the song were subtitled on the bottom of the screen. I think I remember a shot of Stalin saluting somewhere in here as well. The part of the song played was of course “…and no religion too…”, implying that no religion equals communist China. Does Yoko know about this? I doubt she’d be pleased.
The excellent “Mad Hot Ballroom Dancing” got dinged for a lot of money for a lot less music use than this. Could the Expelled filmmakers really not have known they needed to license music? Did they have a giant music budget? Are they relying on fair use? Maybe one could make a fair use case for using “Imagine” to illustrate communist China, although it seems a bit of a stretch to me since the point of the film isn’t China or John Lennon, or even atheism per se.
I’ll be interested to see what happens when it’s officially released. Same music? And what’s the story with the licensing? Does Yoko Ono not control the Lennon estate? Would she really license the music for that purpose? Questions, questions.
Supposedly, the film also includes animations of cellular functions. There have been lots of such animations made in the last few years. P.Z. Myers of Pharyngula described one such animation out of Harvard and XVIVO being edited and used without in creationist lecture tours. What’s the licensing on these, I wonder? Studio Daily describes the animation process and says they can’t provide it, because it belongs to Harvard & XVIVO; there’s a version at Harvard’s MCB website. These were funded by the HHMI and the licensing notes the copyright to Robert Lue & Alain Viel, Harvard University, and says “For educational use only. The use, duplication, or distribution of this material for any commercial purpose is strictly prohibited.” Well, creationist lectures are arguably “educational”, at least in the broadest possible sense, but editing it to create a derivative work — that seems a bit different.
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The music, at least the Killers’ “All These Things That I’ve Done,” was not licensed. I am a big Killers fan and the moderators on their official message board are saying that the band was not asked for permission to play the song in the movie- they had no idea whatsoever about it.
Danielle – this is very interesting! If you check back here, please drop a link in — I’d love to read what they have to say. (I went to your blog but couldn’t find it on the Killers page linked there.)
Sure- well first of all in this article the writer shows some doubts about the licensing of the songs:
http://richarddawkins.net/article,2400,Expelled-Overview,Josh-Timonen-RichardDawkinsnet
And then this is what the main moderator (who has contact with the band’s management) posted on the Killers forum (it’s members only so no links):
“It’s going to keep coming up and I’m going to keep saying the same thing. The band doesn’t know anything about this film. That being said unauthorized uses happen all the time from what I was told, and I’m not sure what if anything can be done. I’m sure they’ll look into it. From what I’ve heard the filmmakers are using John Lennon’s “Imagine” in the film as well, and I can’t imagine Yoko would’ve liked that either. I don’t know the ins and outs of this, but I am told the band knew nothing about this film at all before people started stirring the controversy up…”
Ah sorry, I quoted the same article you did! But this article in the Huffington Post just makes huge assumptions and then criticizes the Killers and Yoko Ono for “selling out”, it’s pretty ridiculous…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-boyce/yoko-ono-sells-out-john-l_b_96527.html
I’m just doing unofficial PR work for the band by clearing things up on websites, because this looks like it has potential to be a big mess for them. A fan’s got to do what a fan’s got to do… ;)
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Creationist? Nonsense! Great film! Why not discuss possibilities? To be fired over using a term? Freaks like you should thank God for the internet. No one would ever hear of you otherwise.
What the heck are you talking about? It’s certainly a creationist film, so that’s not nonsense. As for being “fired over using a term”, see the full story about the people who allegedly suffered discrimination for being creationist.
Then read about people who truly have been discriminated against on the basis of religion.
links from pharyngula